Have you got any ideas that you want to share? Any personal view of art, religion and society.... something that would make us go forward and evolve like human beings? Well, this is the place for it... go ahead and make yourself noticed!!!!!!!

For the first colective "Avant Garde" mail, i've chosen not to proclaim indulgency by slapping in your face my own words, but instead, i tried to promote a global view of what's happening in art and in the world. This is a transcript of an article by Mike Patton, issued on a book by John Zorn called "Arcana:Musicians on Music". It i is properly named:

"How We Eat Our Young"

"If music is dying, musicians are killing it. Composers are the ones decomposing it. We are as responsible as anyone--although we'd love not to admit it. We lash out at "The Industry", blaming things like corporate structure for our shitty music--but we are the ones making it. We open the box they've given us and jump in, wrap ourselves up, and even lick the stamp. Why? Insecurity--the need for acceptance--maybe even money. We're not thinking about our music, just how it looks. One would rather have the warm tongue of a critic licking his asshole than the tongue of his spouse. It gives him a sense of validity and power. He seems to defy gravity. Maybe it is because he doesn't know what the hell else to do. He sees it coming--but freezes with panic like a deer in the headlights. Don't laugh--I've done it and you probably have too. And it has undoubtedly effected our music. (But have we learned anything from it?) We know that we are mostly a lot of slobbering babies who need constant stroking. We realize also in the moral order of society, we occupy positions similar to the thief, pimp, or peeping tom. We know that even if one has the pride of a bull, it is hard enough just to remain focused in this world. It gives us millions upon millions of images--distractions--all saying the same thing at the same time: DO NOT THINK. If your fantasy and desire give you migraines, how easy it is to forget them when there is so much to look at. Our creations die quickly when abandoned like this. Do we realize that we are eating our young? It seems the passion that moves us is accompanied by an incredible urge to squash it. It is as quick as a fucking reflex--a conditioned response. Is it a sexual problem? A puritanical one? The most intense and convincing music achieves a sexual level of expression, but what we normally feel is frigidity and limpness. It is just too easy for an artist to 'socialize' his desires when life tells him cardboard is OK. You should be ashamed of yourself! What is your fucking problem? If you don't come out, sooner or later you will die in there. Use chunks of yourself. Bodily fluids. Look left and right. Sift through others' belongings. Borrow. Steal. And try to achieve some sort of pleasure while doing it. This excitement should increase and intensify when you visualize it being shared by a number of people. Think about it. If it comes from inside you, it is automatically valid--it just may or may not be good. Because if it is not communicating in some way, its pleasure is as short-lived as a quick fuck in the back room. It doesn't mean shit. The labor of many composers is to construct elaborate walls of sound--but we often forget to leave a window or door to crawl out of. How can we survive in these clever little rooms? We must eat our creation or we will starve. At this point, we have heard what we wanted to hear--our ears have shut down. We've resigned as slaves to our own gluttony. But if we have boarded up our learning environment, our only way out is to teach what we know. Will they listen? Why should they? Because they need you as much as you need them. You can save them from being swallowed up by the world--they can save you from being swallowed up by the world. Young and old players should be seeking each other out and using each other. They should develop a healthy exchange of smut--and learn to wear each other's masks. In this kind of environment, incredible things can happen. Music can emerge that is athletic and personal. Music that is riddled with contradictions--impossibilities. And that is the shit that can defy gravity."

Some feedback would be nice ;

Love and kisses,
Edgar

HI:

This time i want to share with you, my friends, a Brasilian artist. He is very original and creative.

Tom Zé and all his discography, especially "Estudando o Samba" (1972) Continental, "Jogos de Armar" (2001) Trama and the 2005's album "Estudando o Pagode - Na Opereta Segregamulher e Amor" Trama. Good Lyrics and a lot of great musical ideas. Listen to it!!

Cheers!!!

Fonsini Martini

Well, i got a hold of Broken Social Scene's last self-titled effort, wich is a great leap forward in their already beautiful sound.
They're like the Canadian Mothers Of Invention in a sense of being a revolvoing cast of musicians (the last i've counted thy were fifteen) that make beautifully crafted music that's reminiscient of dEUS, Stephen Malkmus and Elliot Smith. Their arrangements include a horn section, double percussions , ethereal machine enviroment and all of indie rock's familiar instruments like guitar, bass and keyboards. Pick it up, Broken Social Scene's latest, a marvellous effort by a great band.

Australian group The Mabobs just realeased a new ep entitled 'Powerpoints of life why don't we go there'. This being an excellent follow up to their debut album 'Children should not quarrel'.
Check them out www.themabobs.com

Masada is John Zorn's extension into radical jewish culture. a way of enduring his people's legacy and culture into newer generations. It is also, and foremost, his most "fitting" Jazz ensemble, being considered one of he most important Jazz groups that ever existed.
The Masada songbook has various incarnations, being this one, Electric Masada, the most notourious one... It is a ensemble comprised of two drums, percussion, keyboards(Rhodes), Guitar, Bass (the great Trevor Dunn), elecronics (Ikue Mori) and Zorn himself on Alto Saxofone.... Electric Masada is epical, that's the only word i can find to describe it without resorting to more romantical or obnoxious ideas. Pick it up and HEAR for yourself, because it's damn worth it...

Electric Masada@Tonic, John Zorn's 50th, Volume 4

Hi.
I'm new here, so hello...

I know Masada. I have two cds (their "best of" and one of the early series). I saw them in show 5 or 6 years ago. They were great, really.

ciao,
Gui
=== Original Message ===>>>>

Masada is John Zorn's extension into radical jewish culture. a way of enduring his people's legacy and culture into newer generations. It is also, and foremost, his most "fitting" Jazz ensemble, being considered one of he most important Jazz groups that ever existed.
The Masada songbook has various incarnations, being this one, Electric Masada, the most notourious one... It is a ensemble comprised of two drums, percussion, keyboards(Rhodes), Guitar, Bass (the great Trevor Dunn), elecronics (Ikue Mori) and Zorn himself on Alto Saxofone.... Electric Masada is epical, that's the only word i can find to describe it without resorting to more romantical or obnoxious ideas. Pick it up and HEAR for yourself, because it's damn worth it...

Electric Masada@Tonic, John Zorn's 50th, Volume 4

Anyone of you ever wandered what is the special something that makes you feel? THE detail that makes your arm's hair go beserk!!!
Everything's got a center, a point of origin, a place where it comes from, and a place to go after it's gone..... Are feelings a trick of evolution? Is love an excuse for reproduction after all? Or is it REALLY something so abstract that it can't be touched or described, only felt....

It has nothing to do with the previous subject, but i think it is worht mentioning... Yesterday i saw Pink Floyd's Live At Pompeii... I never saw the Floyd on video, and i was amazed by their intensity... sheer emotion, texture and acid trip ;)
Maybe it has some connection to the previous subject after all....
Well, pick it up, it is worth it.

Best regards

hum... sorry, I'm no specialist in cognitivism, but it will be related to things that happen between the brain, the body and the physical world. Some sounds and rays of light, like a red beep, provoque something in your body that make you sense and in return act on your brain so that make you think, and then you interpret the red beep in a certain way that makes you "feel", either nothing, real intense emotions or just the sensation that it's a pain in the neck.

Maybe something we use to call "psyche" plays a role at some place in feelings, but surely the "psyche" is in fact a complex constructions of accumulated informations in your brains and accumulated sensations in your body.

Gui


=== Original Message ===>>>>

Anyone of you ever wandered what is the special something that makes you feel? THE detail that makes your arm's hair go beserk!!!
Everything's got a center, a point of origin, a place where it comes from, and a place to go after it's gone..... Are feelings a trick of evolution? Is love an excuse for reproduction after all? Or is it REALLY something so abstract that it can't be touched or described, only felt....

It has nothing to do with the previous subject, but i think it is worht mentioning... Yesterday i saw Pink Floyd's Live At Pompeii... I never saw the Floyd on video, and i was amazed by their intensity... sheer emotion, texture and acid trip ;)
Maybe it has some connection to the previous subject after all....
Well, pick it up, it is worth it.

Best regards

Good reply.....but that's as scientific as it can get.... i think that if feelings were to be explained in scientific terms, it would have been done a long time ago....hmmm, i think that the root of thr problem lies elsewhere....
=== Original Message ===>>>>

hum... sorry, I'm no specialist in cognitivism, but it will be related to things that happen between the brain, the body and the physical world. Some sounds and rays of light, like a red beep, provoque something in your body that make you sense and in return act on your brain so that make you think, and then you interpret the red beep in a certain way that makes you "feel", either nothing, real intense emotions or just the sensation that it's a pain in the neck.

Maybe something we use to call "psyche" plays a role at some place in feelings, but surely the "psyche" is in fact a complex constructions of accumulated informations in your brains and accumulated sensations in your body.

Gui


=== Original Message ===>>>>

Anyone of you ever wandered what is the special something that makes you feel? THE detail that makes your arm's hair go beserk!!!
Everything's got a center, a point of origin, a place where it comes from, and a place to go after it's gone..... Are feelings a trick of evolution? Is love an excuse for reproduction after all? Or is it REALLY something so abstract that it can't be touched or described, only felt....

It has nothing to do with the previous subject, but i think it is worht mentioning... Yesterday i saw Pink Floyd's Live At Pompeii... I never saw the Floyd on video, and i was amazed by their intensity... sheer emotion, texture and acid trip ;)
Maybe it has some connection to the previous subject after all....
Well, pick it up, it is worth it.

Best regards